A little story

topic posted Thu, November 16, 2006 - 4:50 PM by  offlineMystical Moj...
I do my best to know my partners history and be safe. Back in May I hooked up with a guy who was a friend of a friend. It was just a one night thing and that was that. I saw him again a few weeks ago and he precedes to tell me he has herpes. The thing is he has had herpes for YEARS. He knew back in May and didn't tell me before we had sex. I am still quite pissed because I would have never slept with him if he had told me in May. Luckily I have been tested and I don't have a thing, YA! I even did the blood test for herpes to see if I was a carrier, and I am clean. Thanks the goddess I didn't pick up anything, but I guess I won't be having anymore one night stands. It really feels like he didn't tell me because he wanted sex and once he realized I wasn't going to sleep with him again he decided to inform me that he has herpes. What a fucker!!!!!!! I guess its just me, but I feel like you should be up front and honest if you have anything even if the likely hood of passing it on is limited.
  • Re: A little story

    Thu, November 16, 2006 - 5:58 PM
    No would argue with that... if you're HSV positive, full disclosure is the right choice. Even so, it can be very, very hard for many people, even people who are otherwise ethical. After all, telling people the truth can only hurt your chances of getting laid.

    Don't think I'm defending the behavior, though. It's just totally understandable, given humanity as it is.

    G
    • Re: A little story

      Thu, November 16, 2006 - 11:24 PM

      Useful stroy, thank you.

      So, what if things were different and he told you the truth, and you were still interested in sex? Can anyone give a description of what is considered safe with regards to HSV?

      I feel well informed about AIDS, but not herpes.

      j
      • Re: A little story

        Sat, November 18, 2006 - 5:52 PM
        I wouldn't of had the one night stand I did. If it was someone that I acrually cared about and wanted to be with then that would be different. But in this actual situation, No way in hell would I have had sex with him.
      • Re: A little story

        Mon, November 20, 2006 - 1:24 PM
        HSV (and HPV) are in a somewhat different category as far as safer sex goes.

        Condoms are only somewhat effective in preventing possible transmission, because they aren't transmitted through body fluids like HIV or most other STIs. They can be transmitted through skin-to-skin contact, especially when there's friction involved. And, when an HSV-positive person is having viral shedding (with or without lesions --- they do NOT have to be having an outbreak to be shedding), the entire area of their HSV site is shedding. Viral shedding occurs between 6-10% of the time, and is less the longer the person is positive.

        So, say they have genital HSV (HSV-2 or HSV-1), then not just the genitals shed virus during a shedding period. The entire area can shed, including thighs, lower belly, buttocks, etc. You COULD use saran wrap or something similar to protect the entire area on the off-chance the person you are with has HSV and is shedding. But most people aren't willing to go through all that.

        The thing is with HSV and HPV both is that:

        1) They're really, really ubiquitous.
        About 80% of the adult population of the US is HSV-1 positive. HSV-1 *usually* manifests as oral herpes, ie cold sores, but CAN also manifest in the genitals. It can be transmitted from someone who has it orally to another person's genitals. And vice versa. Same goes for HSV-2, btw. It can manifest in either location (among others), and be transmitted either way.
        About 25% of the adult population of the US is HSV-2 positive.
        MOST people who have genital HSV are asymptomatic -- they never have outbreaks -- or their outbreaks are so mild and infrequent that they're mistaken for something else or not noticed at all.
        Something around 90% + of the population has some form of HPV, btw. If you've ever had a wart, anywhere, you have at least one of the many, many, many strains of it.

        2) HSV is not life-threatening to an adult. Most symptomatic people have only a few outbreaks per year and they are apparently more annoyances than anything else. HSV has this hideous social stigma, but it's the least dangerous BY FAR of the common STIs. wtf?

        3) Most 'full screening' STI tests you get at your Drs office or clinic do NOT include screening for HSV. You have to ask for it specifically, and it's not always easy to find a place that does it at all. The goverment actually reccommends AGAINST regular testing for it because it's not life-threatening or even much of a health problem, but the STRESS of testing for it or knowing you have it is more dangerous to your health.

        Chances are, if you've 'played the field' much at all in your adult life, you've had sex with someone who has some form of genital herpes.

        That's all probably more than you wanted to know, but there it is.... *laugh*
        • Re: A little story

          Mon, November 20, 2006 - 1:29 PM
          Jenmarie,

          Thanks for being one of the disseminators of decent information on HSV. It's a tough situation we're in, because oodles of us have it, and most who have it don't know. And anyone who does know is subject to crazy, stupid stigmas.

          Again, thanks.
        • Re: A little story

          Tue, November 21, 2006 - 12:31 AM
          Jenmarie... great post! I wanted to add one little detail. In regards to the herpes testing and it not being recommended - that is true. However to be specific - they don't recommend testing for herpes for peole who are asymptomatic and have NOT had any contact with partners who have herpes (known herpes). If you are symptomatic or a partner is known to have it and you tell your doc that, they will recommend testing. The preferred method for testing is with a culture of the outbreak area, but that only works if you are having an active outbreak. Many places as you stated do not offere herpes blood tests or do not recommend them, but many places will do a blood HSV test if you have had a past partner who is now known to have HSV.

          You are also correct that most places don't do HSV testing when you ask for a "full panel", especially if you go to State/Fed clinic - they just don't have the funding and so they triage your history and symptoms and test for what is most possible and high risk - namely chlmydia, gonherria and HIV... and maybe Syphillis because it recently had a surge in outbreaks depending what populations you are in and communities.
          • Re: A little story

            Tue, November 21, 2006 - 7:21 AM
            The cost for an HSV Ig test, which differentiates between type 1 and 2 is $48 at Planned Parenthood.
            Thank you for your info on HSV, it's accurate and excellent.
  • Re: A little story

    Fri, November 17, 2006 - 11:53 AM
    I've have many people that have sat me down before having sex that have told me their sexual history and what they have before we went further. There have been a few fuckers that haven't been so good at that.. but that's a whole different story.

    I believe in knowing before hand..then making a decision. I tell whoever I'm going to be with about my history and what has happened and what I'm afraid of blah blah blah.
    • Re: A little story

      Fri, November 17, 2006 - 1:04 PM
      I always ask a person directly "Do you have any sexually transmitted diseases?" before we have sex.

      The vast majority of experience that I have had with HSV infected partners is that they directly lied to me so that I would have sex with them. Some of them, like you described, later told me that they were HSV positive.

      So my conclusion is that the psychology for many HSV positive folks is a little tricky. I've known HSV positive friends who went through a lot of bad times around it...

      There are a lot of HIV positive people who choose not to disclose their HIV status to their partners either. It's just a fact of life that we should all take into consideration.
      • Re: A little story

        Fri, November 17, 2006 - 11:49 PM
        Here Here Spartca.... I'm all for jusk asking!!!

        I personally think it's your own responsibltility to A. Ask anyone you are gonna sleep with... and then B... decide for yourself what safer-sex steps you want to take (cause they could be lying).

        When it comes down to it - you are the only person you can really trust and you are the only person is truly responsible for YOUR body.

        I'm not trying to enable folks into not-disclosing... I just don't think it's their "responsibility". It may be more a more ethical moral decision to disclose, but that's about it in my personal opinion.

        We've heard this rant before... but it seems mainstream heterosexual culture kinda expects folks to tell them if they have STD's and to make chooses that will protect them (so they don't have to???? not sure). The gay culture in general has a much healthier opinion in my mind that you assume everyone is pos - regardless of disclosing status and decide for yourself what risk you want to take and act appropriately.
        • Re: A little story

          Sat, November 18, 2006 - 5:50 PM
          I definately think it was my duty to make sure I was protected, which I didn't do. But I also think it is someone ethical obligation to inform who ever they are sleeping with if they have something. What type of person are they if the knowingly keep a STI a secret knowing that they could pass it on? I am sorry, but that shit ain't right. I was supose to learn a lesson in protecting myself and I did.
          • Re: A little story

            Sat, November 18, 2006 - 9:04 PM
            See we are in agreement because you specifcally put "ethical obligation". Unfortunately most people are not ethical, fear a denial and selfishness tends to cause this. Why chance it, just assume they won't tell you.

            I've talked to alot of people, and it's odd. A lot of them tell them they will disclose after a one night stand only if the relationship is developing. Think of this way. If it's a one night stand and they don't care for you... why would they care to tell you. Yes yes, I know what would be "ethical' to do, but I'm talking realistic here.

            It seems I hear the same story over and over again on this same theme. Folks - assume the worst and go from there. Then be happily surprised if they do disclose or they are negative. Just my advice.
          • Re: A little story

            Sun, November 19, 2006 - 7:24 AM
            whoa. You didn't use protection for a one-night stand? There's worse than herpes out there, you know?
            • Re: A little story

              Sun, November 19, 2006 - 2:55 PM
              Whtchy,

              I am surprised that you had unprotected sex with a one night stand. But to each his own. I would never do that.

              I beleive in using protection.

              I have found that most men do NOT disclose herpes status, even when I have asked them directly if they have herpes.

              My foray into safe sex after a 22 year monogamous relationship has been a shock to my truth telling, ethical ways. PEOPLE LIE. A lie be omission is still a lie.

              You have to take steps to protect yourself.

              My female cousin got AIDS from one instance ot genital intercourse and died from it. This was about 20 years ago. It can happen.

              Ann
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            Re: A little story

            Mon, February 19, 2007 - 6:11 PM
            "I definately think it was my duty to make sure I was protected"

            Really? That doesn't match your actions. I don't mean to be antagonistic...just honest. And honestly? It makes little sense to me why anyone would have unprotected sex...with a one-night stand, no less...and not even ASK them their testing status prior to putting oneself at risk.

            "I also think it is someone ethical obligation to inform who ever they are sleeping with if they have something."

            I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately there are countless others in the world who will look you squarely in the eyes and lie without an ounce of guilt. By not asking and being accountable for your own health...you sealed your own fate. There are a LOT of very unethical people in the world, ya know? So really, even if you DID ask...having unprotected sex is very unwise...and with a one-night stand? Why that's just crazy!